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Teaching kids not to listen?

By Rachel Leavitt

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Published: Tuesday, September 8, 2009

Updated: Tuesday, September 8, 2009

President Barack Obama’s attempt to encourage students to take their education seriously has resulted in accusations of propaganda, indoctrination and a sly attempt to endorse his “socialist” agenda.

Today at noon (EDT), Obama will be making a speech at a Virginia high school which will be broadcast across America to any school district that chooses to listen.

This is not the first time a president has addressed school children in a nationally broadcast speech. In 1988, President Ronald Reagan made a speech, broadcast nationwide, addressing the nation’s students. In 1991, President George Bush followed suit, this time addressing school children nationally from a Washington high school.

Yet, Obama’s attempt has been met with fiery opposition — a fire started and stoked by the conservative media.

The president’s visit was announced weeks ago, but it was only on Wednesday morning, when right-wing sites and talk show hosts began berating the visit, that the fervent resistance ensued.  

Mark Steyn, a political commentator and Canadian author, compared Obama to Saddam Hussein and Kim Jong-il on the Rush Limbaugh show on Wednesday, according to The New York Times.

Chris Stigall, the host of radio’s KCMO Morning Show, said, “I wouldn’t let my next-door neighbor talk to my kid alone; I’m sure as hell not letting Barack Obama talk to him alone.”

According to The Wall Street Journal, 21st century technology may be partially to blame for the furor surrounding Obama’s visit. With talk shows and virtually infinite blog opportunities online, protestors’ outcries are easily heard and extremely accessible.

But poor wording is at fault as well. Originally Obama intended on suggesting to students to write letters to themselves about ways the students could “help the president.”

A few misunderstandings and exaggerations later, some conservatives decided that such an assignment was an attempt to make their children political — God forbid.

With their complaints in mind, the suggestion was altered to encouraging them to write letters to themselves on how to “achieve their short-term and long-term education goals.” 
Despite the revision, there continues to be controversy across the nation, including Arizona.

According to The Arizona Republic, school districts across the state have been ambushed with distressed and passionate calls in opposition as well as in support of the broadcast.

According to The Arizona Republic, Arizona’s largest district, Mesa Public Schools is allowing parents to excuse their children from school if they contact the school first.

Many districts in Arizona will be following Mesa’s example. In the Scottsdale Unified School District, students were sent home with opt-out forms so that parents could decide what they felt was appropriate.

Tempe School District, on the other hand, requires that all students watch the speech with no choice of opt-out forms.

Meanwhile, Prescott Unified School District will not have any students watch the broadcast.

Though the Obama administration insists that watching the speech is merely voluntary, the question remains whether the lesson being taught by parents excusing their children from school is really an acceptable one.

With each opt-out form turned in, one student is learning that they don’t need to understand and listen to opinions they don’t agree with — or their parents don’t agree with. They are not learning to listen to others and form their own informed opinions. Sadly, this shines some light on the issues with which this country relentlessly struggles.

Debates about health care reform and the war on terrorism rage on, bereft of solutions because people on each side of the issue refuse to listen. One can’t learn or expect to be heard if they don’t listen.

According to The Wall Street Journal, a generally conservative paper, some conservatives worry that the tumult initiated by fellow right-wingers over Obama’s school visit may discredit their efforts in other, perhaps more pertinent, topics.

Frank Luntz, a one-time strategist for Republican candidates, suggests that people should try to relax.

Luntz says that conservative critics should “pick (their) battles,” or “at some point the public will stop listening.”

It is pretty absurd that people feel the need to tell their children they shouldn’t listen to the democratically elected person in charge of the country.

Perhaps they should learn to control their misplaced anger and teach themselves, as well as their children, that listening, no matter what side the speaker is on, can only be of benefit in shaping a more informed opinion.

— Rachel Leavitt is a creative
writing junior. She can be reached
at letters@wildcat.arizona.edu

Comments

17 comments
Ashton Banker
Wed Sep 9 2009 13:10
It IS circumventing parental authority, because you are still ignoring the parents, regardless of the law. I'm well aware of the scope of in loco parentis. Just because the letter of the law says the school is a "temporary" parent doesn't mean it's okay to leave the parents out of the loop completely and that is what was going to happen with this speech until the parents stood up and put their feet down. That is the reason why so many schools, like in Prescott, have decided against showing them... because the parents spoke up. This temporary guardianship makes the school culpable for liability, but it also makes them culpable to the parents for the information they choose to teach to the children.

You cite the Prescott school system as "deciding not to show the broadcast." Are you aware the reason they decided as such was because of "fears about partisan political message concerns?" I have made no mention of research save the research you do yourself (and the mishandling of research done by Ms. Leavitt), so do not presume to impugn my reasoning by pointing out that I "have not done my own." I have done my own. I was responsible and kept my eyes on this information when it was initially submitted, instead of waiting for a big media outrage to garner my interest. If you have not seen the original proposal for this yet, then you are not being responsible with the information placed before you.

And yes, every President redacts statements. President Bush did it for years, but it did not stop anyone from calling him on it, including myself. The point is that redacted statements are what President Obama would call a "rhetorical flourish." These statements have been stripped of their controversy to be politically and socially appealing. The trick is finding what the original intent, meaning, and message was before someone finds a way to spin it... that's how you get to know the true intentions of a President. Do you know how much of the information about the Patriot Act was redacted before they found a way to make it politically appealing? Still doesn't make the Patriot Act right.

Also, I've never watched Fox News. I'm sure you meant it as an insult of some kind, but I really don't understand why, seeing as I've mentioned I have no interest in Fox News before.

Gerald Langlois
Wed Sep 9 2009 12:57
Perhaps it would be a bit more credible to qualify exactly what Mark Steyn said about Obama which you "quoted" with the caveat "according to the New York Times." That does not excuse the laziness of not fully stating what any reasonable researcher would do before simply quoting a notorious rag like the Grey Lady. Moreover, what is the issue with listening or not listening to Obama on school issues? To suggest that parents who do not want their children to hear what the president has to say about schooling are somwhat lacking in intelligence is patent nonesense. How many of the darlings you hold dear permitted their children to line up for a Bush speech?
F. Alexander
Wed Sep 9 2009 12:33
Public Schools are given the right of in loco parentis. This right makes school administrators temporary guardians while minors are in school. Therefore, any address by President Obama is not "circumventing [parents'] authority through the Department of Education." The authority has already been granted to the school, which then decides to show the broadcast. Some schools, like the Prescott system, have chosen not to show the broadcast.Ashton, for all the talk about research, there seems to be little done on your part but the echoes of your very first post. Redacting documents and speeches is and has been by every single President countless times. No one gets a speech or political strategy right the first time, which is why corrections must be made. Citing an intended action as one that was actually initiated is a grave mistake; it could get you hired by Fox News.
russ in north carolina
Wed Sep 9 2009 10:44
Next time, Arizona, send up as the Republican Presidential Candidate Jon Kyl. You made the mistake of sending us Senator John McCain (R-INO) and looked what happened. Gracias mucho, amigos.
Your name
Wed Sep 9 2009 06:45
"Funny you should say that. My experience was exactly the opposite. I learned nothing of history, and everything about human rights abuses, labor unrest, and class warfare." My assertion was that it would be impossible to talk about human rights abuses, etc. without teaching history at the same time, as they are usually defined by it. Or did you mean something else entirely?
Ashton Banker
Wed Sep 9 2009 06:12
"...but just FYI Human rights abuses, etc. ARE history, and its pretty difficult to explain them without the rest of their surrounding events, so I doubt that was the case.
I don't see how having school children read about our President's life, or listen to his books on tape, both of which simply define the struggles of his youth and how they have shaped his intentions, or even write a letter TO the president, are in any way partisan."

Where in my statements did I mention that human rights issues DIDN'T occur!? I was asserting that my education differed profoundly from Eric's education. In NO WAY, AT ANY TIME, did I ever mention anything that could be misconstrued as ignorance (and, in the extreme, complete disbelief as to the existence of) historical human rights abuses. Don't wag your preachy little finger at me. I'm well aware of the human rights abuses throughout history and their effects on modern-day America. However, that is not the discussion we are having right now, so kindly check your "race, religion, sexual identity" human rights issues at the door for this topic. You people are, once again, making assumptions on my behalf and you are completely wrong.

Moreover, you are once again confusing the topic in regards to the partisan message. This is the third time I've said this today, but there was a partisan message originally intended for today's speech, but it was REDACTED. Meaning, the White House withdrew and deleted the old speech. The current speech is politically innocuous, with a noted exception for pushing children to show interest in "green jobs," but is otherwise ambivalent to the topic.

The portions about doing lesson plans and discussions concerning Barack Obama, though... I can understand where parents, especially parents who do not trust the President, would show outright anger at the idea of their children reading "Barack Obama: Son of Promise, Child of Hope" and "Barack" and pledging their services to a President in writing. The problem is that many parents do not agree with his message, they do not agree with his politics, they don't agree with their children discussing politics in a public school setting (I hear people are starting to bite each other's fingers off in California), and they don't agree with the President circumventing their authority through the Department of Education. The fervent opposition you are seeing is a result of that.

And besides... why would the White House need to redact and re-release a toned-down version of this speech before schedule, so parents could review it? Because the original message was inappropriate, partisan, and the lesson plans that accompanied it were flagrantly intended to influence the students' political compasses... not to educate.

Todd
Wed Sep 9 2009 01:54
Ha! Clearly the “Creative Writing” department isn’t spending a lot of time teaching rules of grammar. Or maybe that’s the point – creative syntax.

My favorite line: “Mark Steyn, a political commentator and Canadian author…” Apparently he’s only Canadian when he’s authoring.

Creative Writing Junior, indeed.

Lucius Cornelius
Wed Sep 9 2009 00:43
In all fairness, the article states at the bottom that "Rachel Leavitt is a creative writing junior". It's obvious that someone else made the mistake of placing the article in the opinion section rather than the creative writing section.
Your name
Tue Sep 8 2009 23:45
clearly.It doesn't say..."according to the New York Times" or anything...
S. Walsh
Tue Sep 8 2009 23:18
"Gerard. Don't play stupid. You know, as the NYTs did( but sadly retracted what they knew to be true) that Steyn was bringing up those two particular personas in order to instill fear and have people connect our President with their names and agendas."

This is asinine. The author clearly lifted the assertion against Steyn from the NYT. Even the NYT won't stand by it. And yet, some partisans still cling to it. Try obtaining the transcript of the broadcast and listen to it. That's not likely to happen, because that would involve actual research (journalism), instead of dwelling in an echo chamber.

Bill
Tue Sep 8 2009 22:37
Gerard. Don't play stupid. You know, as the NYTs did( but sadly retracted what they knew to be true) that Steyn was bringing up those two particular personas in order to instill fear and have people connect our President with their names and agendas.
Banker, I'm sorry some angry individual called you a white devil and you went to an unfortunate school, but just FYI Human rights abuses, etc. ARE history, and its pretty difficult to explain them without the rest of their surrounding events, so I doubt that was the case.
I don't see how having school children read about our President's life, or listen to his books on tape, both of which simply define the struggles of his youth and how they have shaped his intentions, or even write a letter TO the president, are in any way partisan. Schools have kids do stuff like that all the time, the only difference is that you are aware of this and have platform from which to deem it wrong.
The message of the article is that listening, or experiencing or doing things, despite whether you agree or not, is purely beneficial to your own informed opinion, and parents shouldn't be teaching their children otherwise.
Gerard Harbison
Tue Sep 8 2009 18:55
Rachel Leavitt is certainly a 'creative writing' junior. What Steyn actually said is:

"obviously we’re not talking about the cult of personality on the Saddam Hussein/Kim Jong-Il scale"

Now, I suppose to say 'X is nothing like Y' is indeed to compare X to Y. But it's dishonest writing... or maybe just 'creative'. Ms. Leavitt, clearly fiction is your true calling !

Ashton Banker
Tue Sep 8 2009 18:36
Eric,

Anybody is just "spewing talking points" now. That's what comes of having a political opinion... your opinion gets divided into camps and, thusly, become "talking points" with which to "spew."

Case in point: You are arguing talking points as well.

I can tell you that the White House stance (and their initial plan for today) was scrapped almost immediately and redacted in the face of strong public opposition. The original quote CAN be found, as it was saved by a number of organizations and concerned citizens the moment it was released, but I'm sure you will argue that all the people who saved it are Conservative in their worldview and should be considered an unreliable source by default. The original White House stance was extremely partisan and contained the instructions that a lesson plan would be conducted before and after Obama's speech. The lesson plan prior was a discussion as to "what the President will say to inspire us" and "how we can help President Obama effect change in the United States." The lesson plan post-speech involved reading excerpts from his memoirs, listening to excerpts from his audio books, and (for the children) reading through two third-party books about Obama's childhood. The lesson plan also called for a promissory note written by the students TO President Obama about how they will strive hard in school and help to "solve the problems of this great nation."

Again, there is research to be done, but I cannot do it for you... I'm sure you will think I'm just slanting the argument anyway.

Also, Eric... "On the contrary my experience was jammed with history classes that conveniently passed over whole sections of human rights abuses, labor unrest, and class warfare all so they could repeatedly jam a singular, hegemonic view of history down my throat and yell at me every time I questioned it."

Funny you should say that. My experience was exactly the opposite. I learned nothing of history, and everything about human rights abuses, labor unrest, and class warfare. I also had a teacher casually refer to me as "the white devil." Only until I was out of high school did I realize that I had been taught a hegemonic view of the world and took it upon myself in my free summer before college to work 40 hours a week and study history, math, science, and economics in my free time.

Do not make assumptions on my behalf. I have worked very hard to educate myself on a myriad plethora of important subjects and studies, free of the public school system, which I feel has not only failed me, but insulted my intelligence by teaching below my capacity for learning. If that doesn't show critical thinking, then clearly there is no discussion here, because you are trying to define the argument in a different way.

And, just so you are aware, I have every intention of home-schooling my children. Government has taught people to be hands-off with their children by defining the draconian terms of home-schooling curricula, and encouraging them to leave their children with the state. People are finally realizing wherein that error lies.

BK
Tue Sep 8 2009 17:56
You obviously didn't do any research for this piece. First off, your quote from the author Mark Steyn is incorrect, for which the NY times has already issued a correction. Steyn, in talking about Obama, specifically said his cult of personality was nothing like Kim Jong-Il or Saddam Hussein's. You need to stop just cutting and pasting your talking points. Second, nobody would have cared about his speech to kids, had it not been for the department of education involvement, and their now mysteriously-disappeared plan of having schoolchildren do a writing project on how they could help the president.
Eric
Tue Sep 8 2009 14:51
Ashton:

wow...you just spent that long telling the author to "do a bit more reading" and get more informed yet throughout the whole piece you keep spitting out talking points any person with a remote or a computer could see on any right learning media source. (i.e. "youth brigades", your supposed ideas of the "original intention" of Obama's speech, etc.). More importantly, what was the purpose of your comment? If you agree that it's bogus to oppose the speech, just like it was bogus to oppose Bush's speech then leave it at that. Yet, if you're going to try and make this absurd argument that because Dem's threw a fit with Bush, then it's cool to throw a fit with Obama leave it at home. No one wants to here such an elementary argument. The same goes if you are trying to justify this uproar with by stating that because a proportion of the population has been manipulated and scared into thinking a certain way then this somehow justifies the president from speaking.

Also as a side note, I'd love to hear exactly what is frustrating "newly" empowered neo-cons when it comes to public school curriculum. Suddenly you all are concerned about what is being taught in school? Where have you been?

Perhaps you were just asleep through your experience with public school, but I wasn't and let me say that in my 13 years as a public school student I received very little instruction in critical thinking, or exposure to various opinions, even in the AP classes I took. On the contrary my experience was jammed with history classes that conveniently passed over whole sections of human rights abuses, labor unrest, and class warfare all so they could repeatedly jam a singular, hegemonic view of history down my throat and yell at me every time I questioned it. Or who could forget the great high school "economics" class that essentially can be boiled down to this: "extreme laissez-faire capitalism is the word, the unquestionable word, and the only word as it has been handed down by god. This is why instead of teaching actual economics we will spend our time teaching you how to waste money on your credit card and make you believe that everyone has money in the stock market."

I'd like to think this is just a problem in Arizona public schools, but it is the case in every state. This, not some fairy tale fear about "liberal indoctrination", is the problem with public schools and the biggest embarrassment to our country as it's a shame that college professors have to waste their time teaching you the critical thinking you never received and giving you the other side of the coin.

F. Alexander
Tue Sep 8 2009 12:58
The nature of modern American politics makes it inevitable that half the nation "does not trust and does not like it's current President." Compound this rough statistic with the massive amounts of vile misinformation, and it's no wonder that many people don't know who or what information to trust. However, much of the issue derives from having respect for the office of President of the United States, no matter who occupies it. The idea of a Presidential address to school children is well within the bounds of legitimacy. The message should be about attaining the highest level of education that children wish to pursue and how to reach their potential.

Beyond the address, the idea of writing letters about "helping the President" should have been axed in the initial planning stages. The wording of "helping the President" should have been like Kennedy's "what you can do for your country." Not even tea-party-birthers could argue against children helping the country. On the last note, Barack Obama doesn't need anymore publicity so reading his book and others about him seems pretty far-fetched. Too bad this claim couldn't be substantiated with an actual quote.

Elementary school students should not be thrown into the political arena, but all students must learn about higher education earlier and more comprehensively. The current state of higher education across the country, due to budget crises, is much less dependable than just several years ago. This requires students to understand the increasing competitiveness for top universities and the prospects of paying for that education

Ashton Banker
Tue Sep 8 2009 12:21
"It is pretty absurd that people feel the need to tell their children they shouldn’t listen to the democratically elected person in charge of the country.

Perhaps they should learn to control their misplaced anger and teach themselves, as well as their children, that listening, no matter what side the speaker is on, can only be of benefit in shaping a more informed opinion."

I am by no means a fan of George W. Bush, but what you are seeing right now is the same thing that happened 8 years ago, when Bush spoke to the youth of our country and was viciously attacked for his efforts. Allegations of spending tax-payer money to fund a partisan political message were flying and many Democrats did not like (or trust) Bush enough to let him speak directly to their children without their permission. I'm not entirely certain how old you were at that time, but certainly you must be able to remember how fervent the opposition was.

While I trust your condescending tone and chastising language are coming from a place where you think you're correct in your assessment, I think it's important to note that you have half a nation that does not trust and does not like it's current President. You have just as many (newly empowered) Conservative men and women who do not like what public school is teaching their children, a President who has extremely questionable motives as to where he is taking this country, and an economy that is still failing, regardless of how Ben Bernanke spins it. Couple all this with Obama's proposals for "community youth brigades" (look it up) and the general aversion most parents have towards getting their children involved in politics... It's an outright recipe for disaster.

This has happened before, on both sides of the aisle, to just as much fiery disapproval. Lose the condescending tone, do a bit more reading, and maybe you will benefit in shaping a more informed opinion.

(Note: I read the proposal the first day this idea came out, before it was redacted. The original intention was to have Obama speak, followed by student "promissory letters" on how they are "going to help the President." They were to be excerpts read from Barack Obama's memoir books, including books written about him, and listen to excerpts from his audio tapes, followed by a discussion about where the children stand on political issues. This may be appropriate for high schoolers, but elementary and middle school children are too young for most parents to deem it appropriate.)

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